322 Brutalna prawda o ofitzjalnie zaprawdę naukofych odtfoszeniach i innych rekonstrukcjach, na przykładach z architektury i archeologii


Why Most „Ancient” Buildings are Fakes
toldinstone
44,961 views Apr 12, 2024

Almost every ancient monument has been at least partially reconstructed, for a wide range of reasons…

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:06 The Forum and Colosseum
2:27 The Ara Pacis
3:24 Early restorations
4:37 Mondly
5:47 Roman forts and baths
6:42 Knossos
7:23 The Stoa of Attalus
8:59 The Acropolis
10:05 When to restore?


A oto mój podarek dla wszystkich myślących, ale przede wszystkim dla jedyniesłusznych i nieomylnych bogóf intelektu i walecznych cenzorów jedynie ofitzjalnie dozwolonej prawdy, co to ostatnio znów z coraz śmielej ukontentowaniem drapią się po pleckach i wylizują rowki… W.g nich, to co było minęło, a głupi nie kojarzą i zapomnieli, nieprawdaż? Ano nie do końca, bo ten poeta pamięta…


@davidec.4021
“Whose past and whose present”. Beautiful way to end it

@JasonTabile
„Authentic BUT NOT original” for those informed reconstructions.

@w8stral
Should have said: For those informed reconstructions: „Romantisized authentic BUT NOT original”

@pigdroppings
Sometime there is nothing left to reconstruct. In about 1930 Mussolini, at great expense drained Lake Nemi, and recovered two of Caligula’s 2,000 year old 250 foot long pleasure boats. In WW1 in 1944 the US Army fired cannon shells into the museum containing the two huge wooden boats. The museum and the boats were totally destroyed by the resulting fire from the cannon shells. See Wikipedia….Nemi ships

@disapearingboi
I’m amazed that Abu Simbel was never mentioned – in the 1960s the entire tomb of Rameses II was disassembled and moved to a new location to avoid it being flooded by the Aswan dam.

@Rynewulf
Add all the major sites lost in the flood onto the checklist of ‚damn they wrecked a lot with that damn’ (apparently its made Egypt a lot drier and hotter and played havok on agriculture due to the soil being reliant on flooding for nutrients and minerals). At least they put in crazy effort to get not only Abu Simbel but a few other spots moved

@Unknown-jt1jo
There are literally hundreds of examples of reconstruction. I’d be amazed if he could squeeze in everyone’s pet example.

@patrickmahaffey6166
Abu Simbel does not qualify as fake because it was not rebuilt from rubble. As you wrote, it was dismantled and relocated, with nothing added.

@Leeside999
I’m gutted to hear that the frescos at Knossos are „imagined”. I have always loved Minoan frescos. Even have some prints on my wall. I need to find out which are original designs and which are Evan’s designs.

@sunlight3542
Many of the famous ones are at least partially real. You can often tell the difference because the original portions of fresco look rough and textured, and the new additions are smooth. Some like the boxers fresco in this video contain both original paint and new paint to connect the old fragments

@Breakfast_of_Champions
No, the video is trying to mislead you through a fundamentalist perspective.

@skjaldulfr
Much of them aren’t imagined, and the ones that were newly made are using figures that are seen on original fragments. So the frescos were not made up in modern times.

@33Donner77
Just look at the old, rough textured fragments, and try to create a complete image. That’s what the archeologists did.

@olbiomoiros
if there’s two soi-disant ‚archaeologists’ the world should hate is Evans and Schliemann

@olbiomoiros
if there’s two soi-disant ‚archaeologists’ the world should hate it is Evans and Schliemann

@nekhumonta
​ @Breakfast_of_Champions No it isn’t. The reconstructions of Knossos are a prime example of how NOT to do archaeology.

@PoniesNSunshine
There’s some pretty complete paintings from akrotiri ( the sailing ship ones) as well as all the pottery pieces that look very different from Knossos is the thing, but then they try and copy the styles! It’s an entirely different matter when you see a piece that’s painted from a left over arm that’s just extrapolating the whole face.

The other tricky bit is the tendency of these restorations to give the the subjects a much lighter skin tone than the Minoans and Myceneans likely had.


reconstruction of ancient cities then and now
WooRidersDg
14 views Apr 12, 2024


What would Ancient Ephesus have looked like? (city that once housed an ancient wonder of the world)
Historyfeels
49,217 views Oct 4, 2022

Exploring the Ancient city of Ephesus who once Cleopatra, John the Baptist, and Alexander the Great roam its streets and who once housed two of the ancient worlds most most famous structures, The Temple of Artemis and the Library of Celsus.


The Largest Greek Temple Ever Built
Manuel Bravo
335,258 views Premiered Jan 19, 2024 TEMPLE OF APOLLO

How could the Ancient Greeks build such an enormous construction? Explore with me the Temple of Apollo at the Sanctuary of Didyma near Miletus, and discover the Greek architecture of present-day Turkey.

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  1. The Boring Truth about the Salting of Carthage – it isn’t what you think
    The Historian’s Craft
    14,341 views Apr 17, 2024

    After the fall of Carthage in the Third Punic War, in 146 BC, it is popularly believed that the Romans salted the earth around the city, so that nothing would ever grow there again. This is, however, not the case. So what really happened?

    @jusk8lp
    My history lessons made it sound like Carthage became a desolate landscape. But then I read The Confessions of Saint Augustine and learned that it was still a major city by 300 A.D. It just no longer had the power that it once had.

    @monadsingleton9324
    The Romans rebuilt Carthage as a colony about a hundred years after they destroyed it. That would have been impossible had they actually sterilized the surrounding hinterland as some people still believe for some reason.

    @KuganeGaming
    “To be taken with a pinch of salt”

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    • Why Troy Might Still be Lost, and how it went missing in the first place
      The Historian’s Craft
      4,945 views Apr 20, 2024

      The archaeological site of Hisarlik is generally believed to be the site of the a city that Hittite documents call Wilusa, and which Greek sources call Troy. Certainly during the Greco-Roman period it was known as Troy, but today some archaeologists are not so sure. And, for that matter, if Troy was so well known during the Roman period, how did it go missing anyway?

      SOURCES:
      The Trojans and their Neighbors, Bryce
      The Trojan War: A Very Short Introduction, Cline
      Digging for Troy: From Homer to Hisarlik, Cline & Rubalcaba

      @sarahlynn7807
      It’s always so sad that a man went looking for Troy and blew it up in the process.

      @maou8253
      Schliemann’s recklessness is one of the reasons so much is still up in the air, what a waste.

      @takashitamagawa5881
      It’s understood now that even moving something at an archaeological site is an act of destruction, as doing so takes it out of its historical context. That is not even close to the actual physical destruction that Schliemann committed with his crude methods. Artifacts discovered in modern digs may have to be moved, whether for preservation or further analysis, but meticulous record keeping is vital.

      @Azaghal1988
      schliemann is definitely one of the archeologists of that ageI kinda hate for their actions because they destroyed so much by disregarding everything that didn’t fit their pattern of a big find, while I at the same time admire him. For his passion for the subject.

      @alecity4877
      If you are ever in Athens, his tomb is in the first cemetery, very visible as it was made to resemble a classical greek temple and has a bust statue of him on the front, make sure to drink a lot of water the morning before visiting him and avoid bathrooms before your visit.

      @marcusott2973
      I always wonder about Schliemann. I mean, yes, his methods were brutal, but it was the age where „archaeologists ” blew holes into pyramids.
      He dug an exploratory trench, which was good, kind of as it’s the reason we know about the almost unbroken chain of civilisation beginning with the neolithic. What I really wonder about, as at that time, archoelogy was about tangible treasure and less about knowledge. Did he have some Turkish goldsmith fake the gold treasures he found there and in Greece, just to have something tangible to show to polite society, for all his efforts?

      @Ironclad17
      Like many paleontologists and archaeologists of the era, they had very personal agendas and were more interested in proving their own worldviews or attaining fame than being empirical or objective.

      @marcusott2973
      @Ironclad17 in Schliemanns case that Homer was actually historically correct, this then led to nutcases taking Plato as historically factual too and so he’s collateral responsible for 1000’s of crappy books and TV documentaries about Atlantis.

      @tomislavsestan4514
      I do not think that Iliad says anything about destruction of Troy. Iliad stops sooner.

      @egoborder3203
      to be completely accurate, the Iliad doesn’t deal with the sacking and destruction of Troy. It ends before the death of Achilles, which takes place before the Trojan horse. Fragments of other works do, and later authors like Virgil in his Aeneid

      @Crembaw
      My prediction is somebody will claim it’s in Hungary by this time tomorrow.

      @cmt6997
      It’s definitely in Serbia and/or North Macedonia.

      @valentinaaugustina
      i have screenshots of a guy swearing it’s in macedonia and it’s so funny

      @cthulhu_lives8169
      It’s in Serbia under a giant 50K year old pyramid!

      @elmanco6885
      ​ @cmt6997 Ah yes, Tròjiča

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      • How Historically Accurate is the Iliad? A Short Introduction
        The Historian’s Craft
        10,172 views Apr 27, 2024

        The Iliad is one of the great epics of Ancient Greece. It tells, at least in part, the story of the Trojan War, and it appears to contain valid elements of the Bronze Age world. Which has led scholars to debate whether or not the Iliad is historically accurate, and whether or not the poet Homer was a real person. This video briefly investigates the subject.

        Sources:
        A History of the Archaic Greek World, Hall
        The Trojan War: A Very Short Introduction, Cline
        Ancient Greece, Roberts et al

        @surters
        The boar-tusk helm and the Hittite writing suggest that not everything was fantasy.

        @MrWolfstar8
        Suggests it was well rooted in reality but details were lost and later substituted like a game of telephone over several hundred years before it was written down.

        @georgethompson1460
        Historical fiction then.

        @houseplant1016
        Wow very interesting. Did 6 years of Latin and used many of Homer’s verses to compare it with another famous Epos: Aeneas of Vergilius, but never heard Homer’s existence was being debated.

        @BlackMasterRoshi
        Eh, maybe it was like Gilgamesh, where different cities eventually added their own embellishments to the tale.

        @gudmundursteinar
        If you want to appreciate how accurate the Illiad is I have two books for you to read, neither of them are about the Illiad.
        1. Fóstbrœðra saga – Saga of the Sworn Brothers
        2. Gerpla – The Happy Warriors (1958)/Wayward Heroes (2016)

        It is one of the most popular Icelandic Sagas, full of adventure and action and a retelling of the story by a modern nobel prize winning author.

        The Illiad is a story from a time that was incomprehensible to the Greeks. The Greeks of Homer’s day lived in self governing towns while the Daanans of the Illiad lived in a strict hierarchical tribute empire. Their weapons were different, their tactics were different their social structures were different. Anything that isn’t typically greek in the stories is something that survived the dark age and anything that is typically greek is something added later to fill in some gap.

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    • Was Troy Destroyed by the Sea People? A Short Look at an Intriguing Hypothesis
      The Historian’s Craft
      24,784 views Apr 15, 2024

      SOURCES:
      The Trojan War: A Very Short Introduction, Cline
      1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed, Cline
      The ‚Mycenaean’ Sword at Hattusas and its Possible Implications, Cline
      The Trojans & their Neighbors, Bryce

      @Dennis-vh8tz
      The Odyssey, the journey’s of Odysseus after the Trojan War, does seem like it might be an imperfect telling of the story of one band of Sea People.

      @cmt6997
      Imagine the Romans hearing that it may have been their ancestors that destroyed Troy, possibly with no Greek involvement at all.

      @R3dp055um
      Except that, according to Virgil, the Romans were descended from Aeneas and his band, who escaped the fall of Troy. Thus his epic of the Trojan War and its aftermath was named „The Aeneid”. All that „equo ne credite, Teucri” business is from Virgil. Homer barely mentioned the horse.

      @Ajemone
      The first Romans where Italics with the R1b U-152 haplogroup in majority and theirs dna was 60% Early Neolithic Farmers (Tyrrhenian) and 40% Indoeuropeans Italo-Celtic (Bell Beakers)

      @TheGabrielbowater
      Virgil has entered the chat

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    • The only surviving complete Roman shield
      Louise Bedford
      44,771 views Feb 21, 2024

      @tm502010
      I am surprised you are surprised. Most everyone in the entire world had NO FREAKING IDEA WHATSOEVER that one of these still existed for real! It’s like seeing a picture of a unicorn munching on someone’s front lawn. This is absolutely extraordinary, and so vivid! Quite lovely. Thanks for sharing it with the world.

      @Indylimburg
      It always amazes me that ancient things like this survive. I am equally amazed that we can know accurately what things looked like with no known examples.

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      • @SDarkfire500
        The swastika was used in many cultures to symbolize good fortune.

        @WowPapuns88
        A universal symbol

        @jimmythe-gent
        @WowPapuns88 a very ancient indo-European symbol that may have just traveled. The Japanese, the Hopewell Indians, etc. There are old Coca Cola ads with it.

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  2. Ancient DNA Unravels Where the Etruscans Came From
    Decimali
    3,014 views Apr 19, 2024

    Delve into the captivating world of the Etruscans, an enigmatic civilization that thrived in ancient Italy. For centuries, their origins have remained shrouded in mystery, fueling endless debates among historians and archaeologists. Join us as we embark on a captivating journey to unravel this enigma, utilizing the latest advancements in genetic research to shed light on the true ancestry of the Etruscans.

    Data Source: Cosimo Posth et al., The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transect.Sci. Adv.7,eabi7673(2021).DOI:10.1126/sciadv.abi7673

    @QueenChristine826
    The results aren’t that surprising. They remind me of the Basques, who also received an indo-European influx, but it did not result in a corresponding language shift.

    @majidbineshgar7156
    All Neolitic Europeans had spoken non-indo-european languges prior to the Indo-european migration ( Basque and Kartvelian languages are still remnants of that era ) , accordingly the first wave of Indo-european as a minority must have adopted the indigenous language until the subsequent massive waves of indo-european settlers outnumbered the indigenous population.

    @smws569
    Most probably they got their language from Anatolian Neolithic farmers, most probably the g2 haplogroup paternal Ancestry which bocome less prominent after arrival of Steppe herders was responsible for it , the headers was unable to assimilate them …

    @serkankinden5150
    Steppe language was not indoeuropean, if you think so you should give linguistic evidence. Otherwise, your and other youtuber’s works are total mess. Tyrrhenian languages are included in dene-caucasian languages. So, as you told they should have speaking steppe originated language. There are some studies that steppe languages were originally dene-caucasian languages like other vasconic, sumerian, north caucasian, yeniseian, native american etc. agglutinative languages. You cant find indoeuropean language before 3-4th millenium BC. Maybe, indoeuropean language has mutated from dene-caucasian languages mixed with local fusional languages of europe, why not?

    …..

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi7673

    The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transect
    COSIMO POSTH
    24 Sep 2021
    Vol 7, Issue 39
    DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abi7673

    Abstract
    The origin, development, and legacy of the enigmatic Etruscan civilization from the central region of the Italian peninsula known as Etruria have been debated for centuries. Here we report a genomic time transect of 82 individuals spanning almost two millennia (800 BCE to 1000 CE) across Etruria and southern Italy. During the Iron Age, we detect a component of Indo-European–associated steppe ancestry and the lack of recent Anatolian-related admixture among the putative non–Indo-European–speaking Etruscans. Despite comprising diverse individuals of central European, northern African, and Near Eastern ancestry, the local gene pool is largely maintained across the first millennium BCE. This drastically changes during the Roman Imperial period where we report an abrupt population-wide shift to ~50% admixture with eastern Mediterranean ancestry. Last, we identify northern European components appearing in central Italy during the Early Middle Ages, which thus formed the genetic landscape of present-day Italian populations.

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    Moses Didn’t Exist – Francesca Stavrakopoulou Explains (Men With Daddy Issues Wrote The Bible)
    Luminescent Learning
    1,992 views May 1, 2024 UNITED STATES

    We have studied much of history and explored the birth of every religion in the world. Our aim is to be direct in challenging viewers to think objectvely about topics and themes that appear so subjective and emotinoal to some of us.

    @timothy4131
    Either she’s lying or God’s lying God doesn’t lie she probably say that so many times that you start believing your own lies

    @daveinak4639
    Jesus said Moses wrote the pentateuch. I’ll stick with Him.

    @perryweeks9577
    These stories are metaphoric stories like Jonah was actually a story about the star system cetus and how these forces operate witin ourselfs

    @nayb87
    Not true. The book of Jonah is written stylistically as a historical account and then referenced by Jesus as a historical fact. What you’re engaging in is eisegesis. I.E. reading into the text something that simply isn’t there.

    @luminescentlearning
    Thank you! They don’t understand that all religions are unconscious sun / celestial worship

    @rickzauner
    And they never will, they think they know something special,so they will never consider actually thinking

    @joshuacromley7439
    ​ @nayb87 please, provide evidence that Jesus cited Jonah as historical fact. Explain the language and logic of it.

    @Utternonsense1238
    I am not even going to waste my time listening to it .,. The title was enough nonsense

    @dorkception2012
    Because it destrys the wonderland of your imagination? I get that, I felt the same when my parents told me there is no Santa Claus. Was a hard time for an 8 years old… How old are you?

    @luminescentlearning
    So was the Epic Of Gilgamesh a separate world flood or do you nothing monotheistic stories are real ?

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